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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby rogue0208 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:01 pm

I loved that we never actually really saw Smaug at his fullest and finest. Only glimpses of tail and claws going through a door and of course the last scene of the movie.

I loved Frodo being in the beginning and having it be the day of Bilbo's party. It made a great connection to the LOTRO movies.

I loved the score! So familiar to LOTR, but updated to reflect the differences in this movie and the last. At times, it was like an old blanket on a cold night and other times, it was like breathing in the refreshing night air.

I felt it moved a little slow at time. The sequence with the dwarves in Bag End dragged a little bit. I see the purpose of it, to establish their relationship and your relationship with them, but....meh, it was just a little drawn out for me.

But, overall, it was very good! Looking forward to the next one!
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Salty » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:37 pm

Just got back from seeing The Hobbit. I thought it was well done and I'm definitely looking forward to the next movie.

Some observations...
  • Starting the movie with Ian Holm and Elijah Woods in the present and using the movie as a flashback was a nice bridge to the trilogy.
  • The whole Erebor sequence was amazing.
  • The introduction of the dwarves was great and each one got a chance to show his personality and really shine.
  • One of the scenery transitions was a little weird. I know Middle Earth geography very well and they were spot on for the most part except in the scene after they deal with Bert, Tom and Bill. It looked to me like they doubled back to the Lone Lands out of the Trollshaws and then end up in Rivendell through an entrance in the Lone Lands. The Vale of Imladris is nowhere near the Lone Lands.
  • Some of the dwarves didn't look dwarvish enough for me.
  • Seeing Elrond in battle gear was awesome and it was nice to see the elves being happy.
  • By far my favorite part of the movie was the interaction between Galadriel and Gandalf.
  • The necromancer part with Radagast and the Witch King was fantastic. I hope we get to see Sauron in human form and his encounter with Gandalf. This seems likely since Benedict Cumberbatch (same guy playing the villain in Star Trek) is credited with being the necromancer.
  • Radagast was way over the top but served nicely as a way to show how the corruption in Mirkwood was affecting everything.
  • Riddles in the Dark was fantastic. There is nobody else who could play Gollum. I really enjoyed the scenes in Goblin Town and with the Great Goblin as well. Gandalf's entrance was amazing.
  • I didn't really have a problem with Azog and how he was cut into the movie. I guess it comes from playing Lord of the Rings Online so much and going through the Moria expansion you really learn how in depth that bloodfued goes between the dwarves and goblins and how significant it was when they fought in the Dimrill Dale.
  • Music and attention to detail were top notch as usual.
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Emperor's Prize » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:54 pm

Salty wrote:Gandalf's entrance was amazing.

Yes, I agree. It was great seeing Gandalf be more "magical" too. Of course, seeing him wield Glamdring was awesome. Finally wrote the full review.

I just got back from seeing it again - this time in 48fps and 3D. I'll be writing a separate review for that, but basically: the clarity was phenomenal. I loved it. I didn't get the TV show vibe. I was just lost in how vibrant and detailed everything was. But I never did get used to the sped-up action. No one moved naturally, unless the scene was in slow-mo. Highly distracting to me. And The 3D remains way too gimmicky (particularly in wide establishing shots where the foreground has depth and dimension, but the background looks like a flat painting).
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Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:12 am

One of the other things that struck me about Gandalf is how deferential he is to Galadriel. Gandalf and Saruman are Mair (angels) and on par power wise with Sauron, yet Gandalf defers to Galadriel and Elrond to a lesser extent. It's amazing that someone with such power can be so humble.

Galadriel telling Gandalf she would come if he needed her was the most powerful dialogue in the movie.
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Postby Emperor's Prize » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:13 am

And nicely sets up the confrontation at Dol Guldur, methinks.
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Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:16 am

Exactly. Between reading it in the book and seeing a flashback to it in Lord of the Rings Online, I really want to see Gandalf find Thrain, learn the last dwarven ring is gone and that Sauron has returned.

I also hope at some point we'll see a future prediction of Galadriel destroying Dol Guldur after the ring of power is destroyed. Maybe in a sequence like the scouring of the shire in her mirror.
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Postby Emperor's Prize » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:18 am

^ That'd definitely be a cool sequence. It's certainly possible, considering what we've seen thus far. Besides, Saruman's equivocating was very interesting. He's clearly already fallen at this point - he's just hiding it from the others.
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Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:20 am

Agreed. He was very dismissive of some guy practicing black magic in Sauron's old fortress.
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Postby Emperor's Prize » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:26 am

I am very much looking forward to the marathon in which we watch these movies from AUJ to ROTK. It'll be fascinating to see how PJ draws the connections. Saruman's intransigence in this film will be no small detail.
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:41 am

While I was watching the movie, i couldn't help but feel sad every time I saw Balin and listened to him speak.
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Postby Emperor's Prize » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:43 am

Yeah, no kidding. Jackson was very subtle in his connections to his LOTR films. But the connections, particularly when you know the ending, were powerful.
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:49 am

I can't wait to see the Battle of Five Armies though. I think that has the potential to be more epic than Helm's Deep or Pelennor Fields.
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Postby soxtalon » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:50 am

Agreed on that which is why I think smaug goes down next film!
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Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:52 am

I wonder who will play Bard the Bowman.
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Postby Emperor's Prize » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:54 am

I still think Smaug goes down at the beginning of film three. To fully establish him in Film 2 ... then dispatch him in the same film? Pacing criticisms aside, that feels waaaay too rushed. Build Smaug up in Film 2, then dispose of him in the opening of Film 3 ... leaving the rest of the film to buildup of armies and the battle itself. Otherwise, Film 3 is pretty thin.

Salty wrote:I wonder who will play Bard the Bowman.
Actually, there's already a photo of Bard, courtesy EW. Image
He looks a bit too much like Will Turner for my tastes. But there you go.
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Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:57 am

They still have Mirkwood to deal with too along with the destructions of Lake Town.

That picture is interesting. I figured Legolas would just be a token character in Thranduil's throne room.
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Postby soxtalon » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:58 am

Where would the climax be for film 2 then?
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Emperor's Prize » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:01 am

soxtalon wrote:Where would the climax be for film 2 then?

If I had to guess, it'd be a combination of Barrels out of Bond and the confrontation at Dol Guldur.
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:02 am

The confrontation between Gandalf and Sauron would be a killer climax.
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Postby soxtalon » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:03 am

Interesting theories...could work...
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:05 am

If they ended it that way it would add more of an urgency to getting rid of Smaug at the beginning of the third film.

I wonder if they're going to build up Bard any. In the book he's a pretty important character and shows that there is still strength left in men when he punks Smaug.
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Emperor's Prize » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:05 am

I just don't see how they fill an entire third film without Smaug being alive, at least to begin with. I suppose you could swap the demise of Smaug and the Necromancer. But considering the story is all about reclaiming Erebor ...Smaug should outlast the shadowy Enemy.
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:22 am

Emperor's Prize wrote:I am very much looking forward to the marathon in which we watch these movies from AUJ to ROTK.


That sounds like a good thing to do during a meet-up. We could have a Star Wars saga marathon and a Tolkien marathon.
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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Viper » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:47 am

Salty wrote:
Emperor's Prize wrote:I am very much looking forward to the marathon in which we watch these movies from AUJ to ROTK.


That sounds like a good thing to do during a meet-up. We could have a Star Wars saga marathon and a Tolkien marathon.


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Re: The Hobbit: Reviews, Reactions, and more!

Postby Salty » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:31 am

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